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- ************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 1 *************
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- ╘OPIC 1 ╞RI ╙EP 21, 1990
- ├128-┬╔╠╠ AT 16:45 ┼─╘
- ╙UB: ┘OUR AREA FOR ╚ARDWARE RELATED ╤, ┴, ├'
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- ╨LEASE USE THIS AREA FOR ╤UESTIONS, ┴NSWERS, AND ├OMMENTS ABOUT YOUR TRUSTY
- ├OMMODORE 8-BIT MACHINES.
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- ═ESSAGE 1 ╞RI ╙EP 21, 1990
- ├128-┬╔╠╠ AT 16:49 ┼─╘
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- ─ON'T FORGET TO CHECK OUT SEVERAL OTHER ├ATEGORIES IN THE ╞LAG╙HIP ┬.┬. ╫E
- HAVE ANOTHER AREA FOR ╘ELECOMMUNICATIONS, ─OC'S ├LINIC, ╟AMES, ╨RODUCT
- ╙UPPORT, AND ╞OR ╙ALE. ╔F YOUR QUESTION OR ├OMMENT DOES NOT FALL INTO ONE OF
- THE ABOVE ├ATEGORIES, PLEASE USE THE '╙╘┴' COMMAND TO ╙╘┴RT A NEW ╘OPIC.
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- ╔F YOU NEED HELP, PLEASE REFER TO THE ╬EW ═EMBER'S ╙URVIVAL ╦IT ON ╟┼NIE ╨AGE
- 625;6.
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- ************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 2 *************
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- ╘OPIC 2 ╙AT ╧CT 13, 1990
- ╚.╙╒├╚├╔├╦╔ (╞ORWARDED)
- ╙UB: ┬128 COMPUTER
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- ┴RE THERE ANY USERS OF THE ┬128 COMPUTER AROUND? ╔ WOULD LIKE SOME INFORMATION
- ON THIS COMPUTER , WOULD YOU MIND GETTING IN TOUCH WITH ME BY E-MAIL?
- 3 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL.
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- ═ESSAGE 1 ╫ED ╧CT 17, 1990
- ├128-┬╔╠╠ [┬ILL] (╞ORWARDED)
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- ╫ATCH FOR THIS ╘OPIC TO BE MOVED LATER THIS WEEK TO ├ATEGORY 4.
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- (╘HE ╘OPIC ├OP)
- ;)
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- ═ESSAGE 2 ╙UN ╧CT 21, 1990
- ╥.╥╧═╔╬┼1 AT 00:08 ├─╘
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- ╘HE ┬-128, A BUSINESS COMPUTER RELEASED BY ├┬═ ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THE ├64.
- ╚AS MANY ODD, AND MORE EXPANDABLE FEATURES THAN THE ├64, AND C128. ├AN BE
- UPGRADED TO 256K INTERNALLY. ╔N ┼UROPE IT IS KNOWN AS THE "┬700".
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- ╞OR MORE INFO, CONTACT THE ┬-128/256 ╒SERS ╟ROUP.
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- ├┬╒╟, ╔NC. 4102 ╬ORTH ╧DELL ╬ORRIDGE, ╔LL. 60634
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- OR CALL:
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- ═R. ╬ORMAN ─ELTZKE : 312-456-8720 ═R. ┴NGEL ═ATOS : 212-231-6028
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- ╥ON.
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- ═ESSAGE 3 ╙AT ╬OV 10, 1990
- ╩┬┼┼ AT 19:42 ┼╙╘
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- ╘╨╒╟ HAS A DISK COLLECTION FOR THIS COMPUTER TOO. ╔ KNOW ╘RANSACTOR ONCE
- HAD A ARTICLE BY ╩IM ┬UTTERFIELD THAT LISTED BOTH THE ┬128 AND ├128S KERNAL
- CALLS AND OTHER MEMORY LOCATIONS.
- ╩┬┼┼
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- ************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 3 *************
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- ╘OPIC 3 ╙AT ╩AN 19, 1991
- ┬.╨┼─╔╟╧ AT 09:52 ┼╙╘
- ╙UB: ├128 64MODE COMPATIBILITY PROBLEMS
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- ╔NFORMATION & HELP CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO RUN SOME
- SOFTWARE ON SOME ├128'S IN 64 MODE (THAT WILL RUN ON OTHER ├128S)
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- 12 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL.
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- ═ESSAGE 1 ╙AT ╩AN 19, 1991
- ┬.╨┼─╔╟╧ AT 10:00 ┼╙╘
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- ╬EED HELP FIGURING OUT WHY SOFTWARE THAT WILL RUN ON MY ├128─ WILL NOT RUN ON
- A FRIENDS ├128. ╘HIS IS IN 64MODE ONLY. ═OST ├64 SOFTWARE SEEMS TO RUN OK ON
- HIS, BUT A FEW LIKE ┼┴SY╙CRIPT, ╚OME╨AK, ┬ATTLE├HESS AND A FEW OTHERS THAT
- WILL RUN ON MINE WILL NOT RUN ON HIS. ╘WO DRIVES HAVE BEEN TRIED, AN ╔NDUS ╟╘
- AND A 1571 - MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. ┴LSO ╩IFFY─OS 6.0 HAS JUST BEEN INSTALLED -
- ALSO MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. ┴M WONDERING IF A TIMING CRYSTAL THAT IS TOO SLOW
- OR TOO FAST COULD POSSIBLY BE THE PROBLEM. ┴NY SUGGESTIONS OR HELP WOULD BE
- GREATLY APPRECIATED.
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- ┬├╨
- ╔NDPLS., ╔╬
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- ═ESSAGE 2 ╙AT ╩AN 19, 1991
- ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 AT 19:38 ┼╙╘
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- ┬├╨,
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- ╘HAT'S FUNNY! ╩UST THIS WEEK ╔ RAN INTO THE SAME PROB, FOR THE FIRST TIME,
- EVER, AND WITH A ┬ASIC PROGRAM.
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- ╔T'S NOT ANY DISK PROB, SINCE A 'CHECKSUM' OF THE LOADED ┬ASIC GIVES THE
- RIGHT RESULT.
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- ╔ STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHY IT WON'T RUN ON MY 128. ╔'VE TRIED
- UNPLUGGING ALL MY 'SMART' ACCESSORIES, BUT THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE ANY
- DIFFERENCE. ╔ SEEM TO HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN TO TWO POSSIBLE ANOMOLIES,
- EITHER DRAWING POWER FROM THE CASSETTE PORT (FOR PRINTER PERIPHERALS), OR
- HAVING ┬ASIC8 ON A CHIP.
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- ╘HE PROGRAM WAS SHORT, BUT DID SOME VERY FANCY POKING OF DATA FROM THE ╙╔─,
- AND ╔ SUSPECT, ALTHO ╔ REALLY AM NOT SURE, THAT IT IS USING SOME EXOTIC
- PARTS OF THE 64'S MEMORY FOR VARIABLE STORAGE THAT IS IN CONFLICT.
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- ╔T HAS ME MIFFED... :/
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- ╚OWIE
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- ═ESSAGE 3 ╙UN ╩AN 20, 1991
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ AT 16:30 ┼╙╘
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- ╘HERE ARE SOME ├64 PROGRAMS THAT WON'T RUN ON FLAT 128S BECAUSE THEY
- ARE EXPECTING THE NEWER SIDS AND FIXES IN THE C64 ROMS IN THE C64C.
- ╧R OTHERS BECAUSE THEY EXPECT THE EARLIER VERSION OF THE ROMS, WHICH WE
- WERE CHANGED FOR THE BETTER IN THE C128 (FLAT) BUTWERE CHANGED BACK AGAIN
- IN THE ├128D BECAUSE OF SOFTWARE USING KEYBOARD BUFFERS, TIMERS, ETC THAT
- THEY SHOULDN'T!
- ┴LL IN ALL IT MEANS MOST PROGRAMS WILL RUN EXCEPT HEAVILY, POORLY WRITTEN
- PROGRAMS.
- ╔ HAVE ALSO FOUND OUT SOME NEWER ┬ASIC 8 PROGRAMS LIKE THE ╓7 VIEWER
- WON'T RUN ON MY FLAT 128 WITH THE ┬8 ROM BECAUSE IT EXPECTS THE NEWLY
- PATCHED ┬ASIC 8 VERSION. ╧H WELL!
- ┴LTHOUGH THE 128S ARE 100% ├64 COMPATIBLE, THERE IS SOME SOFTWARE WRITTEN
- THAT IS DETERMINED NOT TO RUN ON THEM OR MAYBE A ├128─.
- ╘HAT IS THE BENEFIT OF BUYING SOFTWARE FROM A GOOD VENDOR LIKE ┬RIWALL
- BECAUSE YOU CAN RETURN IT FOR SOMETHING THAT WORKS :─
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- ═ESSAGE 4 ═ON ╩AN 27, 1992
- ┴.╦┴╥┴╬╘┌┼ [╘HE ═AVERICK] AT 03:49 ┼╙╘
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- ─O ╔ HAVE NEWS FOR YOU!
- ╘HERE ╔╙ INCOMPATIBILITY BUILT INTO THE C128D'S 64 MODE. ╔ FOUND IT THE
- ╚┴╥─ WAY. ╔ KNOW OF 4 GAMES THAT WON'T WORK ON MY 128D:
- ╞ERRARI ╞ORMULA 1, ╧UTRUN ┼UROPA, ╘URBOCHARGE AND ╬AVY ╙EALS
- ┴LL THESE GAMES (FROM THE ╒╦) WILL NOT RUN THEIR GRAPHICS ON THE 128D, BUT
- RUN PERFECTLY ON MY 64C.
- ┴PARENTLY, IT HAS TO DO WITH ╧╬┼ REGISTER (BELIEVE IT, IF YOU LIKE) IN THE
- ╨╠┴ CHIP CALLED THE ╟ATE ┴RRAY REGISTER. ╘HE 128'S IS DIFFIRENT FROM T THE 64.
- ╬OW THIS SHOULD'NT MAKE A DIFF, BUT THESE NEW GAMES ALSO MAKE THE 64 DO THINGS
- THAT ARE'NT POSSIBLE ON IT! EG 17 FRAMES PER SEC UPDATE !?!?!
- ┴ FRIEND HAD HIS ╨╠┴ REPLACED A WHILE AGO, AND MOST GAMES WORK... SOME
- STILL HICCUP. ╔ COULD'NT CHANGE MINE... COS ╔ CAN'T FIND THE ╨╠┴ CHIP! ╔T'S
- BUILT IN WITH THE PROCESSOR!!!!!
- ┬╘╫ THIS INFO IS FROM AN EX-├OMMODORE TECHNICIAN FROM ╟ERMANY
- ┴NTONY KARANTZE
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- ═ESSAGE 5 ╘UE ╩AN 28, 1992
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 03:02 ┼╙╘
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- ╘HE REASON THAT SOME ├64 MODE PROGRAMS DO NOT RUN ON ├128S OR ├128─S IS NOT
- BECAUSE OF THE ALMOST NON-EXISTANT DIFFERENCES BUT BECAUSE OF BAD PROGRAMMING
- HABITS AND NOT TESTING THEM PROPERLY.
- ╚EAVY COPY PROTECTION IS THE OTHER REASON.
- ┴ LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT USE DIRECT JUMPS TO ROUTINES INSTEAD OF THROUGH THE
- ╦ERNAL WILL NOT RUN ON COMPUTERS WITH DIFFERENT ROM VERSIONS.
- ╘HE OTHER REASON IS THAT THE INTERNAL 1571 DOES NOT HAVE THE CONTROLLER
- THE EXTERNAL 1571 DISK DRIVE HAS SO IT WILL NOT RUN ANY PROGRAMS THAT
- WRITE DIRECTLY TO IT'S NON-EXISTANT CONTROLLER.
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- ╔ HAVE HAD SOME OF THE OLDER ┴CTIVISION TITLES RUN ON A ╙╪-64, BUT NOT ON A
- FLAT ├128, ├64 OLD STYLE, AND ├-128─.
- ╟O FIGURE.
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- RE:╨╠┴
- ╔ BELIEVE ╟RAPEVINE SELLS JUST ABOUT EVERY ╨╠┴ ├OMMODORE HAS MADE. ╔ ALSO
- STOCK MOST OF THEM MYSELF. ╟IVE THEM A CALL AND ORDER ONE IF IT IS NEEDED.
- ┘OU WOULD JUST NEED THE NUMBER OFF THE CHIP AND MAYBE YOUR BOARD REVISION #.
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- ═ESSAGE 6 ╘UE ╩AN 28, 1992
- ┴.╦┴╥┴╬╘┌┼ [╘HE ═AVERICK] AT 20:54 ┼╙╘
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- ╧H YEAH RIGHT, ╔ ╟╧╔╬╟ TO FIND THOSE ON MY MOTHERBOARD. ╔ DONT KNOW W WHAT
- THE PROCESSOR NUMBER IS, ╨╠┴ NUMBER OR ╥┼╓ NUMBER... THEY USUALLY DONT PUT
- THOSE ON NON-╒╙ MADE COMPUTERS!
- -> ┴NTONY KARANTZE
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- ═ESSAGE 7 ╫ED ╩AN 29, 1992
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 07:51 ┼╙╘
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- ╩UST A SUGGESTION :)
- ╔ AM KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT THE PARTS NOT HAVING NUMBERS ON THEM FOR COMPUTERS
- SOLD OUTSIDE THE ╒╙ (╔ BELIEVE THE COMPUTERS AND MOTHERBOARDS ARE ALL MADE IN
- ╘AWAIN AND THEN PACKAGED AND SHIPPED WHEREVER).
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- ═ESSAGE 8 ╫ED ╩AN 29, 1992
- ┴.╦┴╥┴╬╘┌┼ [╘HE ═AVERICK] AT 18:56 ┼╙╘
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- THINK OF IT THIS WAY... ╔ COULDNT FIND ANY!
- ┴NTONY KARANTZE
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- ═ESSAGE 9 ╙UN ═AY 31, 1992
- ╨.├┴╘├╚╨╧╠┼ [═IKE] AT 14:38 ┼─╘
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- ╬O? ╘HE AMIGAS SURE DON'T LACK PART NUMBERS.... I'M SUPRISED YOUR COMMODORE
- DID. ╘HE 500 HAS SOMETHING ABOUT 00041515 ╥╧├╦╠╧┬╙╘┼╥ ON THE MOTHERBOARD. ┴
- PART NUMBER, PREHAPS?
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- ═ESSAGE 10 ═ON ╩UN 01, 1992
- ┴.╦┴╥┴╬╘┌┼ [╘HE ═AVERICK] AT 07:23 ┼─╘
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- ╔TS ACTUALLY ┬52 ╥OCKLOBSTER. ╘HE ┴590 ╥┴═ BOARD SAYS "╚OUSE ╨ARTY" ON IT.
- ╘HOSE DAMN HIPPIE DESIGNERS 8-)
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- ═ESSAGE 11 ╫ED ╩UN 03, 1992
- ╨.├┴╘├╚╨╧╠┼ [═IKE] AT 22:05 ┼─╘
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- :) ─IDN'T LOOK AT IT WHEN I WROTE THAT. ┴LSO, NOTICE HOW THE CIRCUIT DIAGRAMS
- HAVE SONG LYRICS AT THE BOTTOM? ╔ WISH THE 128 HAD THAT!
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- ═ESSAGE 12 ╘HU ╩UN 04, 1992
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 02:36 ┼─╘
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- ╔ RATHER THE HAVE 8,000 HAND CRAFTED ╙╔─S THAN A DIGITALIZER CHIP WITH ROCK
- LYRICS ON IT. ╔F YOU WANT TO GO GA-GA OVER A PERSONALIZED 68XXX MACHINE
- THAT BREATHES THE ESSENCE OF THE MAKER FROM THE SOFTWARE TO THE ROMS
- GET A ═┴├ ;)
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- ************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 4 *************
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- ╘OPIC 4 ╘UE ╬OV 12, 1991
- ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] AT 23:19 ╨╙╘
- ╙UB: ╓─├ SPEEZED?
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- ╔ THINK MY ╓─├ MAY BE SPEEZED. ╔S IT, OR DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THIS LITTLE
- PROBLEMS?
- 2 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL.
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- ═ESSAGE 1 ╘UE ╬OV 12, 1991
- ╥.╦╬╧╨1 [╥OB ╦NOP] AT 23:40 ╨╙╘
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- ╔ HAVE A FEW PROBLEMS WITH MY ╓─├. ─OES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THESE PROBLEMS? ╧R
- DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THEM? ─OES ANYBODY ╬╧╘ HAVE THEM? ╚ERE ARE THE MAJOR
- SYMPTOMS:
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- (1) ╫ITH TERMINAL PROGRAMS (THIS IS WHERE ╔'VE SEEN IT) (╔'VE SEEN IT IN ╓╘100-
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- 128, ╦ERMIT, AND ─ES╘ERM), SOMETIMES WHEN THE SCREEN IS CLEARED, A CHARACTER
- ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN ISN'T ERASED WITH THE REST OF THE SCREEN.
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- (2) ╫ITH ╟┼╧╙ 128, OFTEN THERE ARE LITTLE "GLITCHES" ON THE SCREEN, EITHER
- BLACK OR WHITE HORIZONTAL LINES 8 PIXELS LONG WHERE THERE SHOULDN'T BE. ╞OR
- INTANCE, ON A COMPLETEY GREY SCREEN (SUCH AS YOU SEE UPON ENTERING
- GEO┴SSEMBLER, SAY) THERE WILL BE ONE OR TWO LITTLE WHITE 8-PIXEL LINES. ╧R, ON
- THE DESK╘OP NOTEPAD, THERE WIL BE ONE OR TWO LITTLE BLACK 8-PIXEL LNES.
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- (3) ╘HE DOUBLE-WIDTH CHARACTER ╓─├ 40 COLUMN MODE HAS NEVER WORKED FOR ME.
- ╔'VE TRIED IT IN ─ES╘ERM AND WITH ╥ANDY ╫INCHESTER'S ╓─├ MANAGER (ON THE
- ╦EY─╧╙ ╥╧═). ╔N ─ES╘ERM, ╔ GET TWO HORIZONTAL LINES OF @'S DOWN THE SCREEN;
- WITH THE ╓─├ MANAGER, THINGS ARE EVEN MORE SCREWED UP.
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- (4) ╔ HAVE THE CHARACTER SET AND INTRO SCREEN PROBLEMS WITH ─IALOGUE128 THAT ╔
- LIST ON THE ─IALOGUE128 SUPPORT TOPIC.
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- ─OES ANYBODY ELSE GET THESE? ┴RE THESE SOFTWARE PROBLEMS, OR DO ╔ HAVE A
- HARDWARE PROBLEM? ┴RE MY HARDWARE PROBLEMS LIKELY IN THE ╓─├, OR IN ONE OF
- THE ├╔┴'S, OR SOMEWHERE ELSE? ╔ POPPED OPEN MY 128 AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE ╓─├
- (╔ HAVE THE ╙╙╔ 64╦ UPGRADE, BUT ╔ HAD THESE ╓─├ PROBLEMS BEFORE WITH ONLY
- 16╦, SO THAT ISN'T THE SORCE), AND THIS IS THE WRITING ON THE CHIP: ═╧╙
- 8563╥7┴ 2885.
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- ╔F IT'S AN OLD CHIP, OR ONE WITH PROBLEMS, HOW MUCH WOULD A NEW ONE RUN ME?
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- ╘HANKS,
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- -╥OB
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- ═ESSAGE 2 ╘HU ╬OV 14, 1991
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 00:10 ┼╙╘
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- ╔ THINK THE PROBLEM IS WITH BOTH THE SOFTWARE AND ╓─├. ╘HERE WERE PROBLEMS
- WITH THE ╥7 AND ╥8 VERSIONS OF THE ╓─├, INCLUDING INTERNAL PROBLEMS. ╘HERE
- ARE ALSO INTERNAL DIFFERENCES BUT EVERYONE PROGRAMS FOR ╥9B SO A LOT OF
- PROGRAMS (SUCH AS ╔PAINT) HAVE TO BE REWRITTEN ONCE THE AUTHORS FIND OUT NOT
- EVERYONE HAS A ╥9B ╓─├ LIKE THEY DO. ╘HIS WILL MOSTLY SHOW UP IN INTERLACE
- PROGRAMS.
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- ╔T COULD ALSO BE THAT THE CHIP IS BAD. ═OST OF THE BAD ╓─├S ╔ HAVE REPLACED
- ARE ╥7 AND SOME ╥8 ╓─├S. ╙O, YOU COULD INDEED BE FEELING THE EFFECTS OF
- A BAD CHIP AND A CHIP THAT DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY WITH YOUR SOFTWARE.
- ╒SUALLY WHEN THE ╓─├ GOES YOU START GETTING STRAY CHARACTERS LIKE THE
- "AT SIGN" AND THEN IT GRADUALLY GETS WORST UNTIL YOU DO NOT HAVE A 80 COLUMN
- SCREEN AT ALL.
- ╔ SUSPECT THE PROBLEM IS JUST HAVING A OLDER VERSION OF THE CHIP.
- ╔ WOULD REPLACE IT ANYWAYS SO IT WORKS PROPERLY WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE.
- (AND WHILE YOU CAN STILL GET THE CHIP, SAVE YOUR OLD ONE AS A BACKUP)
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- ************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 5 *************
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- ╘OPIC 5 ╙AT ═AY 23, 1992
- ╥.╠┴┌┴╥1 [╙HADWELL] AT 10:05 ┼─╘
- ╙UB: 128─ ╔NTERNAL 1571
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- ─OES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO WIRE IN A POWER SWITCH FOR THE 128─'S 1571?
- 5 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL.
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- ═ESSAGE 1 ╙AT ═AY 23, 1992
- ╥.╠┴┌┴╥1 [╙HADWELL] AT 10:10 ┼─╘
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- ─OES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO WIRE IN A POWER SWITCH FOR THE 128─'S INTERNAL
- 1571 DRIVE? ╔ FIND THAT WITH ╥AMLINK, A ├═─ ╚─, AND A 1581 ╔ ALMOST NEVER
- USE THE 1571. ┼VEN THOUGH ╔ ADDED DEVICE # SWITCHES, ╔'D LIKE TO BE ABLE
- TO SHUT OFF THE DRIVE ALTOGETHER. ┴NY ADVICE PEOPLE?
- ╘HANKS :)
- ╥OB
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- ═ESSAGE 2 ╙AT ═AY 23, 1992
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 13:50 ┼─╘
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- ╩UST TAKE THE POWER CONNECTOR OFF THE MOTHERBOARD.
- ╔ WOULD HAVE SOME DOUBTS ABOUT DOING THIS BECAUSE OF SERIAL BUSS LOADING
- AND TIMING. ╔F YOU FIND IT GETTING IN YOUR WAY MAKE IT DEVICE #11 (SO
- ╟EOS WILL NOT SEE IT).
- ╔T CAN'T USE MUCH POWER AT ALL IDLE.
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- ═ESSAGE 4 ╙UN ╩UN 07, 1992
- ├═─-─╧╒╟ AT 04:49 ┼─╘
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- ╔T ISN'T WISE TO HAVE A DEVICE NUMBER 11 HANGING AROUND ON THE BUS WHEN USING
- ╟┼╧╙, AS ╟┼╧╙ USES THAT DEVICE NUMBER FOR A TEMP. DURING DEVICE SWAPPING.
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- ═ESSAGE 5 ╙UN ╩UN 07, 1992
- ═.═╔╬╬╔╟ AT 05:02 ┼─╘
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- ╚MM...╔'VE HARD-WIRED MY INTERNAL 1571 TO #11 AND IT STILL GETS IN THE WAY OF
- SWAPPING WHE NOT USING ╟┼╧╙ WITH 3 DRIVES. ┴LTHOUGH ╔ SOFT-WIRE IT TO #20
- ┬┼╞╧╥┼ BOOTING ╟┼╧╙, THERE'S A HARDWARE METHOD ╔ LEARNED FROM A FRIEND:
-
- ╞IND ╒113
- ├UT PIN 1 AT THE POINT WHERE IT ENTERS THE BOARD(USE EXACTO KNIFE).
- ╨UT A ╙╨╙╘ SWITCH BETWEEN PIN 1 OF THE ╔├ AND WHERE PIN 1 USED TO ENTER
- THE BOARD.
- ┘OU CAN MOUNT THE SWICTH ANYWHERE,PREFERABLY UNDER THE DRIVE LED
- SOMEWHERES(THERE'S LOTS OF ROOM ON THE 128─'S FRONT PANEL UNDERLEDGE).
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- ╫ITH THE ┴╘╬ LINE OUT OF THE SERIAL LOOP(SWITCH OPEN),THE DEVICE IS
- EFFECTIVELY OFF THE BUS AND WONT BE RECOGNIZED,NO MATTER WHAT DEVICE # YOU USE
- FOR IT.
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- ═ICHAEL
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- ************* ├ATEGORY 4 ╘OPIC 6 *************
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- ╘OPIC 6 ╘UE ╧CT 15, 1991
- ╥.╞┴╥╤╒╚┴╥1 (╞ORWARDED)
- ╙UB: 65├02 ╨ROCESSOR
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- ╤UESTION CONCERNING REPLACING THE ├-128'S 8502 PROCESSOR WITH A ╥OCKWELL
- 65├02, THE 4 ═╚Z VERSION OF THE 6502 WITH AN ENHANCED INSTRUCTION SET.
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- 16 MESSAGE(S) TOTAL.
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- ═ESSAGE 1 ╘UE ╧CT 15, 1991
- ╥.╞┴╥╤╒╚┴╥1 (╞ORWARDED)
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- ╥EADING THROUGH AN ANCIENT ISSUE OF THE ╘RANSACTOR, ╔ FOUND AN ASSEMBLER FOR
- ╨┼╘ MACHINES SPORTING 65├02 PROCESSORS, ALONG WITH AN OPCODES LIST. ╘HIS GOT
- ME THINKING, COULDN'T THE 128'S ARCHITECTURE SUPPORT A 65├02 AS WELL? ╔
- SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT IT IS A PIN-FOR-PIN REPLACEMENT FOR THE 8502, WHAT ╔
- ENVISION WOULD BE A DAUGHTERBOARD WHICH COULD PLUG IN TO THE 8502 SOCKET,
- CONTAINING TWO SOCKETS: ONE FOR THE CHIP, THE OTHER DIRECTING= THE PINS TO THE
- CORRECT PINS. ╘HIS WOULD BE A WORTHWHILE UPGRADE FOR THE ENHANCED INSTRUCTION
- SET ALONE, BUT THE INCREASED CLOCK SPEED WOULD BE INVALUABLE AS WELL. ╫OULD
- IT BE POSSIBLE TO SPLICE THE ╓╔├-╔╔'S 4 ═╚Z CLOCK, INTENDED TO DRIVE THE ┌-80
- (LOCATED AT PIN 25 ╔ BELIEVE) TO THE 65├02 AS WELL, AND DOUBLE YOUR SPEED? (╔N
- CASE YOU'RE WONDERING WHY ├OMMODORE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS IN THE FIRST
- PLACE, IF IT ╔╙ POSSIBLE, IS BECAUSE THEY MANUFACTURE THE 6510 AND 8502, BUT
- THE 65├02 IS MANUFACTURED BY ANOTHER COMPANY, OR POSSIBLY MORE THAN ONE
- BESIDES ╥OCKWELL). ╔NCIDENTALLY, THIS IS THE SAME CHIP USED IN THE ┴PPLE ╔╔C.
- ┴LSO, DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A GOOD SOURCE FOR 65├02S? ╘HE REASON ╔ ASK ALL THIS
- IS BECAUSE MY KNOWLEDGE OF ELECTRONICS IS LIMITED TO WHAT ╔ HAVE TO KNOW TO
- PROGRAM IN MACHINE LANGUAGE, AND ╔'D RATHER NOT EXPERIMENT ON MY OWN MACHINE
- IF ╔'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RESULTS WOULD BE. ┴NY THOUGHTS?
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- ═ESSAGE 2 ╫ED ╧CT 16, 1991
- ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╘HIS IS ALL WAY ABOVE WHAT ╔ KNOW, BUT CANNOT HELP WONDERING IF ├╨╒ SPEED
- WOULDN'T ALSO AFFECT THE INPUTS AND OUTPUTS. ╘HINGS LIKE OUTPUTTING TO THE
- SCREEN, DISK DRIVES, ╥┴═╠INKS, AND THE LIKE?
-
- ╔ ALWAYS THOUGHT ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE TIME-DEPENDANT WERE ALSO INTER-
- RELATED.
-
- ╚OPEFULLY SOMEONE ELSE CAN ADD A LOT MORE TO THIS. ╔'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE
- ABOUT HOW IT WOULD RUN WITH THE PROGRAMS ╔'M USING NOW.
-
- ╚OWIE
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- ═ESSAGE 3 ╫ED ╧CT 16, 1991
- ─.┬╒╥╥8 (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ┴S FAR AS ╔ AM AWARE, SUCH A HACK WOULDN'T WORK. ┴ FEW YEARS BACK ╔ ATTENDED A
- CONFERENCE ON ╤-╠INK WITH ╞RED ┬OWEN, ONE OF THE 128 DESIGNERS. ┴T THE TIME
- ├OMMODORE WAS STILL MAKING NOISES ABOUT A 64╟╙, SPORTING BETTER GRAPHICS, MORE
- MEMORY, AND A SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER ├╨╒. ╘HE ├╨╒ IN QUESTION WAS A NEW 6502
- DEVELOPED BY ├OMMODORE'S OWN ═╧╙ TECHNOLOGY GROUP, DUBBED THE 65├┼02. ╔T WAS
- SOMEWHERE IN THE 4 MHZ TO 8 MHZ RANGE ╔ RECALL.
-
- ┴NYWAY, ╔ ASKED ═R. ┬OWEN IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PURCHASE ONE OF THESE
- 65├┼02 CHIPS AND SUBSTITUTE IT FOR THE 8502 IN MY 128. ╚IS ANSWER WAS AN
- UNEQUIVOCAL '╬O,' THE REASONING BEING THAT ALTHOUGH THE CHIPS COULD BE HACKED
- ONTO THE MOTHERBOARD IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO WHAT ╥.╞ARQUAR HAS SUGGESTED, THE
- TIMING OF THE ├╔┴ CHIPS AND THE VARIOUS CLOCKS, INTERRUPTS, ETC. WOULD BE
- COMPLETELY OUT OF WHACK WITH THE NEW ├╨╒'S TIMING.
-
- ╔F ONE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH NEW ╔/╧ CHIP REPLACEMENTS, A NEW ╓╔├-╔╔ CHIP
- ETC. THEN SUCH A HACK MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. ╙INCE ├OMMODORE CANNED THE 64╟╙
- PROJECT, THE AVAILABLILITY OF SAID CHIPS IS NIL. ╙ORRY TO BE THE PROVERBIAL
- RAIN ON THE PARADE, BUT A 65C02 IS A NO-GO.
-
- ┘OUR BEST BET IS TO KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED AND HOPE ╩┬┼┼ AND COMPANY ARE
- SUCCESSFUL IN FINANCING AND DEVELOPING THE 128 ┌╔╨ ├HIP, WHICH WOULD ADDRESS
- SUCH SHORTCOMINGS, AND BE MUCH FASTER THAN A 4 MHZ 65C02 AS WELL!
-
- ╨.╙. ╔ COULD BE ENTIRELY WRONG ON THIS, SO DON'T TAKE MY WORDS AS GOSPEL, MOST
- 128 INNOVATIONS HAVE BEEN THE RESULT OF SOMEBODY IGNORING THE NAYSAYERS AND
- MAKING THE IMPOSSIBLE HAPPEN.
-
- ─ANIEL.
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- ═ESSAGE 4 ╘HU ╧CT 17, 1991
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED)
-
- WELL, ╔ AM NO EXPERT BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WOULD BE THE TIMING
- BETWEEN THE ══╒ AND ╨╠┴. ╘HESE WOULD BE THE ITEMS REPLACED WITH THE ┴╙╔├,
- WHICH IS ONE REASON THE BOARDS TEND TO BE EXPENSIVE. ╔ HAVE SLOWLY BEEN
- GOING
- OVER THESE KIND OF DETAILS AND DOING A GREAT DEAL OF LEARNING IN THE PROCESS.
- ┴S A INTERESTING NOTE, ╔ WAS READING THE ├-128─ SERVICE MANUAL AND IT SAYS
- THE ┌80A IN IT IS A 6═HZ VERSION. ╫ONDER IF IT IS A MISPRINT OR ACTUALLY A
- 6MHZ VS. 4MHZ VERSION.
-
- ─ON'T KNOW SINCE MY ├-128─ IS BEING SERVICED TO 512╦ BY SOME GUY IN ╬┘.
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- ═ESSAGE 5 ╘HU ╧CT 17, 1991
- ─.┬╒╥╥8 (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╔T IS A 4 MHZ ┌-80 ╩┬┼┼, DEFINITELY.
-
- 512K 128─ EH? ╚OW COMPATIBLE IS THAT 512K MAY ╔ ASK? ─ETAILS PLEASE!
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- ═ESSAGE 6 ╞RI ╧CT 18, 1991
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╫ORKS WITH THE ┬ASIC 7 ┬ANK COMMANDS!
- ╠IKE ┬ANK 1, ┬ANK 2, ┬ANK 3!, ┬ANK 4! ETC.
- ╔ WOULD SAY IT IS PRETTY COMPATIBLE AND ╥ICHARD TELLS ME SOFTWARE LIKE
- ╨OWER ┴SSEMBLER WORKS WITH IT JUST FINE.
- ╘HE ONLY BAD THING IS TO KEEP EVERYTHING SIMPLE WITH THE ELECTRONICS THE
- STACK CAN'T BE RELOCATED TO EVERY BANK AND THE SAME WITH THE LOWER COMMON
- MEMORY. ┬UT, ╔ CAN LIVE WITH THAT!
-
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-
- ═ESSAGE 7 ╞RI ╧CT 18, 1991
- ─.┬╒╥╥8 (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╘HAT SOUNDS GOOD ╩┬┼┼, REAL GOOD! ┬UT WOULDN'T A 256K ├128─ HANDLE THE ┬ANK 2
- AND 3 COMMANDS? ╔ DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ANY PROVISION IN ┬ASIC FOR ACCESSING
- ANY RAM BANKS OTHER THAN 0 THROUGH 3, OR 256K.
-
- ╧NE OTHER QUESTION...─OES IT WORK WITH ╟┼╧╙ 128? ╔ AM HOPING YOU WILL SAY
- YES..
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- ═ESSAGE 8 ╙AT ╧CT 19, 1991
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╘HE 256╦ WORKS WITH ┬ANK 2 AND ┬ANK 3! ╘HERE WAS NO HARDWARE (MMU) PROVISION
- FOR THE ADDITIONAL DRAM BUT THE ├-128 OPERATING SYSTEM SUPPORTS IT :)
- ╫HAT YOU DO IN THIS UPGRADE IS PROVIDE YOUR ├-128 WITH ANOTHER ══╒ (8722) AND
- DRAM AND THE REGISTER BITS TO SUPPORT IT.
-
-
- ┴S FOR WORKING WITH ╟EOS, IT WORKS WITH ALL ├-128 SOFTWARE. ┘OUR ├-128
- AND THE SOFTWARE THAT RUNS ON IT WON'T KNOW IT IS EXPANDED ╒╬╘╔╠ YOU USE THE
- ┬ANK COMMANDS OR TRY MOVING SOFTWARE INTO THE OTHER BANKS. ╔F YOU MODIFY
- ╟EOS TO USE THE EXPANDED MEMORY THERE IS NO REASON WHY IT SHOULDN'T WORK.
- ┴S STATED IN THE ARTICLE IT IS NOT AS FAST AS ─═┴, BUT IT IS A LOT FASTER
- THAN DISK DRIVES OR RAMDISKS.
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-
- ═ESSAGE 9 ╙AT ╧CT 19, 1991
- ─.┬╒╥╥8 (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╙O 256K IS USED TO IMPLEMENT THE INFAMOUS ┬ANKS 2 AND 3, THAT ╔ GOT... ╫HAT IS
- THE REST OF THE ADDED RAM USED AS?
-
- ╘HE COMPATIBILITY SOUNDS GREAT! ╫ITH A ┌IP CHIP, YOU COULD HAVE TRANSFER OF
- DATA NEARLY AS FAST AS THE ─═┴ IN THE ╥┼╒ SETUP...
-
- ╠ET US KNOW HOW YOU LIKE IT WHEN YOU RECEIVE YOUR UNIT. ╔ AM THINKING ABOUT
- MAYBE GOING FOR JUST THE 256K MOD INSTEAD OF THE 512K.
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- ═ESSAGE 10 ╙UN ╧CT 20, 1991
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╘HE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE TO THE 512╦ IT CAN BE SPLIT INTO (2)256╦ SEGMENTS.
- ┘OU CAN LOAD AND RUN PROGRAMS IN THE LAST 256╦, THROW A SWITCH, THEN RESET
- THE COMPUTER AND BE IN THE FIRST 256╦ WITH THE LAST 256╦ INTACT JUST AS IT
- WAS WHEN YOU THREW THE SWITCH. ╘HIS MEANS EVENTUALLY YOU WE CAN PROBABLY
- FIGURE OUT A WAYTO SAVE HEAVILY DISK PROTECTED PROGRAMS TO DISK FOR USE WITH
- ╥AMLINK AND THE ├═─ ╚─.
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- ═ESSAGE 11 ╙UN ╧CT 20, 1991
- ╚.╚┼╥═┴╬1 (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ┘ES! ┘ES! ╩┬┼┼, LET US KNOW THE INSTANT YOU RECEIVE YOUR NEWLY TRANSPLANTED
- SMARTER ├128.
-
- ╔'VE GOT A FEW OF THE ╨OCKET PROGRAMS THAT WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT OUT. :)
-
- ┴ PROB ╔ ANTICIPATE THO, IS THE ╨OCKETS USING LITTLE KNOWN NITCHES OF ╥AM THAT
- WOULDN'T GET SAVED. ╘HEN WHEN THEY LOOK FOR THEM, AND NOTHING IS THERE, THEY
- CHOKE.... ┬UT, MAYBE ╔ AM JUST NOT BEING OPTIMISTIC ENOUGH? :)
-
- ╚OWIE
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- ═ESSAGE 12 ╙UN ╧CT 20, 1991
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ┘OU AND YOUR ╨OCKET PROGRAMS WERE THE FIRST ONES TO POP INTO MY HEAD WHEN HE
- AS MENTIONING THE POSSIBILITIES!
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- ═ESSAGE 13 ╙AT ╬OV 16, 1991
- ╥.╨┴╘┼╥╬╧╙╘2 [╥AY] (╞ORWARDED)
-
- ╫ELL, ╔ JUST GOT FINISHED EXPANSION MY 1700 TO 2 MEGS, SO ╔'M NOT IN ANY HURRY
- TO TINKER AROUND INSIDE MY 128 (FLAT STYLE). ╚OWEVER, JUST TO SATISFY MY
- CURIOSITY, IS THERE A HACK FOR THE FLAT 128S AS WELL? ╔ DO KNOW THAT THE
- MEMORY CHIPS ARE DIFFERENT; DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE HACK WON'T WORK, OR WILL
- THE ADDED CHIPS HAVE TO BE OF THE SAME TYPE. ┴ND LASTLY, IS THIS EXPANSION
- PROJECT ALONG THE SAME MANNER AS THE ╥┼╒S (I.E., PIGGYBACKING CHIPS WITH ONE
- LEAD OUT)?
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- ═ESSAGE 14 ╙UN ╞EB 16, 1992
- ├.╥╒╘╠┼─╟┼1 [├HARLES] AT 00:45 ┼╙╘
-
- ╨ARDON ME FOR JOINING THIS TOPIC SO LATE...
-
- ╔ HAVE BEEN GIVING THE IDEA SOME THOUGHT FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW AND IT IS
- POSSIBLE TO ADD A 65├02 TO A ├-64/├-128 USING A DAUGHTERBOARD. ╧F COURSE
- THERE A NUMBER OF TECHNICAL ISSUES WHICH NEED TO BE ADDRESSED:
-
- 1) ╘HE CLOCK SPEED OF THE ├-64/├-128 CANNOT BE CHANGED. ┴S SOMEONE POINTED
- OUT EARLIER, THE MEMORY AND ╔/╧ CHIPS ARE ALL GEARED FOR THE COMPUTER'S
- CURRENT CLOCK SPEED. ╚OWEVER, THIS DOES NOT RULE OUT ADDING A 65├02.
- ╬ONE OF THE CLOCKS ARE GENERATED BY THE PROCESSOR, AND SINCE A 6510, 8502,
- AND 65├02 ALL USE THE SAME TIMING CORE (THE BASIC 6502), THE 65├02 COULD
- WORK IN ├-64/├-128 AT THE EXISTING CLOCK SPEED.
-
- 2) ╙INCE THE 6510 AND 8502 HAVE ╔/╧ PORTS, WHICH A 65├02 DOES NOT, THEY WILL
- NEED TO BE RECREATED ON THE DAUGHTERBOARD. ╘HIS SHOULD NOT PROOVE TOO
- DIFFICULT SINCE THE ╔/╧ PORT IS SIMPLE AND CAN BUILT FROM STANDARD ╘╘╠
- CHIPS OR POSSIBLY A ╨┴╠ (╨ROGRAMMABLE ╠OGIC ┴RRAY).
-
- 3) ╘HE 65├02 WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ANY OF THE OLD 6502 PSEUDO-OPCODES. ┴LTHOUGH
- THEY WERE LISTED AS UNUSED, QUITE A FEW COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE PACKAGES MADE
- USE OF THEM. ╔N THE 65├02, THESE UNUSED OPCODES ARE ASSIGNED NEW COMMANDS
- OR BECAME ╬╧╨S (╬O ╧╨ERATION). ╘HIS WOULD CAUSE MANY POPULAR PROGRAMS TO
- CRASH AND DIE, SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A WAY TO SWITCH BETWEEN THE 65├02
- AND THE 6510/8502. ┬UT LIKE THE ╔/╧ PORTS, THIS SHOULD NOT PROOVE TOO
- DIFFICULT.
-
- ╧F COURSE, IF WE ARE GOING TO UP GRADE THE PROCESSOR IN THIS FASHION, WHY STOP
- WITH A 65├02? ╫HY NOT ADD A ╫ESTERN ─ESIGN ├ENTER'S 65802, WHICH IS A 16-BIT
- PROCESSOR THAT IS PIN-COMPATIBLE WITH A 6502 AND WORKS WITH A GREATLY EXPANDED
- OPCODE SET. ╘HERE IS EVEN A PROVISION TO PLACE TO 65802 IN A 65├02 EMULATION
- MODE SO THAT IT WILL "BECOME" A 65├02 (MUCH LIKE THE ├-128 CAN "BECOME" A ├-
- 64).
-
- ┴NY THOUGHTS OR SUGGESTIONS?
-
- -- ├HARLES
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- ═ESSAGE 15 ═ON ╞EB 17, 1992
- ├128.╩┬┼┼ [* ╙YSOP *] AT 00:10 ┼╙╘
-
- ╙EE THE ┌╔╨ BOARD TOPIC IN ├ATEGORY #2.
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- ═ESSAGE 16 ╙AT ╞EB 22, 1992
- ├═─-─╧╒╟ AT 08:59 ┼╙╘
-
- ┴LSO NOTE THAT THE ╙CHNEDLER ╙YSTEMS ╘URBO ═ASTER ├╨╒ USES THE 65├02 AT 4 ═╚Z.
- ╘HIS IS A 64 ACCELLERATOR CARTRIDGE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW.
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